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Lawyers, politicians battle over Waitangi Tribunal’s Oranga Tamariki inquiry

Saturday, 20 April 2024

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says comments made by David Seymour and Shane Jones aren't appropriate conduct.

A legal and political battle has erupted over the Waitangi Tribunal’s request to hear Children’s Minister Karen Chhour’s reasoning for removing Treaty provisions from the Oranga Tamariki Act.

In a rare move, the Tribunal has issued a summons to Chhour after she refused to voluntarily answer written or verbal questions.

But Chhour has lawyered up and is now using Crown Law to fight the Tribunal. They have filed papers at the High Court to challenge its power to summons.

And while this legal battle ensues, a war of words has flared up between the three coalition parties.

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon is not happy with how ACT’s David Seymour and NZ First’s Shane Jones have criticised the Tribunal, calling their comments “ill considered”.

After saying the Tribunal had “picked the wrong fight”, Seymour said: “Perhaps they should be wound up for their own good.”

Jones made similar comments, saying he was looking forward to reviewing the Tribunal - after it summonsed Chhour.

Karen Chhour is the Children’s Minister, responsibile for the Oranga Tamariki Act.
Karen Chhour is the Children’s Minister, responsibile for the Oranga Tamariki Act.

Why it matters

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon responded to David Seymour and Shane Jones’ comments while in the Philippines.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon responded to David Seymour and Shane Jones’ comments while in the Philippines.

The breakdown

Why Luxon rebuked his ministers:

Chief Judge of the Māori Land Court Caren Fox leads the Waitangi Tribunal.
Chief Judge of the Māori Land Court Caren Fox leads the Waitangi Tribunal.

The Cabinet Manual, which is a rulebook for ministers, warns them not to make comments that bring into question the judiciary.

“Ministers must exercise judgement before commenting on matters before the courts or judicial decisions,” it states.

And continues, “Ministers should not express any views that are likely to be publicised if they could be regarded as reflecting adversely on the impartiality, personal views, or ability of any judge.”

The Tribunal is a judicial body, led by Chief Judge Caren Fox of the Māori Land Court.

What’s going on at the Waitangi Tribunal?

The Tribunal is analysing evidence behind the Government’s intention to remove Treaty obligations from the Oranga Tamariki Act.

This repeal proposal was highly controversial amongst iwi, survivors of abuse in state care, and the Children’s Commission.

Chief Children’s Commissioner Dr Claire Achmad said Section 7AA had only recently been added to the act, by the previous National Government, after multiple inquiries into abuse and malpractice at Child Youth and Family.

Supporters of Section 7AA argued removing it would specifically harm tamariki Māori, causing further harm and cultural dislocation if they are removed from their parents.

But Luxon said he supported repealing the Treaty obligation.

“We want to make sure that actually social workers understand legislatively that the obligation is to place children in good homes. As to what ethnicity those families or those foster parents may be, is largely irrelevant,” he said.

Who said what

Jones said the Tribunal should not consider whether Government policy conflicted with Te Tiriti.

He said he was looking forward to reviewing its mandate as a minister, calling it “some kind of wannabe American star chamber pulp fiction gig”.

ACT leader and Regulations Minister Daivd Seymour hit back against the prime minister’s rebuke.
ACT leader and Regulations Minister Daivd Seymour hit back against the prime minister’s rebuke.

Seymour, in a press release, said: “I’m worried they haven’t thought about who they’re dealing with. Karen is a Māori woman who survived the state care system. By their own standards, they are buying a fight with someone of much greater mana.”

He continued: “The Tribunal summonsed the wrong woman, on the wrong issue, at the wrong time. No wonder some people think they’re past their use-by date. Perhaps they should be wound up for their own good.”

Defending the Government’s plan to repeal Section 7AA, he said it had led to “reverse uplifts” where children had been taken from “loving homes due to the ethnicity of the carers”.

On Friday afternoon, the war of words heated up as Seymour hit back against Luxon’s criticism.

“I’m surprised to hear this, if you have a concern about another leader’s comments you should raise them directly rather than through media, which is what I now intend to do,” he said.

NZ First MP Shane Jones has come under fire for his comments about the Waitangi Tribunal.
NZ First MP Shane Jones has come under fire for his comments about the Waitangi Tribunal.

The arguments

Can a minister be summonsed?

Public law experts said the Tribunal had the right to summons .

Otago University Professor Andrew Geddis said he couldn’t see much of an argument for why Chhour couldn’t be summonsed.

“I don't think there's any doubt about the Tribunal's legal power to summon the minister as a witness,” he said.

Geddis and Victoria University Professor Dean Knight expected Crown Law would argue that the Tribunal questioning a minister could challenge constitutional norm and Cabinet conventions.

Have ministers overstepped?

While Chhour’s lawyers will use constitutional conventions to keep her away from the Tribunal, the Māori Law Society said ministers’ comments about the Tribunal had breached those same conventions.

“The comments, which are paired with a threat of executive review of the function and purpose of the Tribunal could also have a chilling effect and reflect adversely on Waitangi Tribunal decisions going forward,” Natalie Coates, the tumuaki of Te Hunga Rōia Māori o Aotearoa, wrote in a letter to Luxon earlier this week.

“These comments breach the separation of powers and are likely to breach the Cabinet Manual,” she said.

Luxon appeared to agree on Friday, saying: “Those remarks, I think are ill-considered. I think ministers need to exercise good judgement.”

What next?

The High Court will hear Crown Law’s argument against the summons on Monday, in a case titled Minister for Children v The Waitangi Tribunal.

In a submission to the Tribunal last week, Crown Law said the repeal bill could be introduced to Parliament as soon as mid-May.

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